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| Davisnub | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Aug 2020 - 19:35 Post title : Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock | | | Hello all!
I was wondering if anyone had an idea on how the long tors were positioned relative to the stock pipes. I ask because I'm looking for some hard bags and was wondering if the positioning would have to change if I installed long tors. Thanks for any and all help!
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| ST675R | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 20/01/2015 | | Posts | : | 42 | | Location | : | San Diego, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Aug 2020 - 20:00 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | | The long TORS and the stock pipes have the same external dimensions. So there would be no clearance issues with your bags.
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| Davisnub | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Aug 2020 - 20:35 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: ST675R) | | | Ah great to know! I was looking to see which brackets I needed for the tsukayu hard saddle bags. Looks like I can get the quick release ones!
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| Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 19 Aug 2020 - 21:41 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | | Yes the stock pipes and long TORS have the same dimensions, short TORS are obviously shorter 
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Aug 2020 - 02:30 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | | Hi Davisnub!
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - tho I'm not ;-) - there are no long TORs.
TOR = Triumph Off Road, as etched on the shorties to allow sales for "off road" use. The long ones are stock mufflers, not etched.
Only difference is that the short TORS allow tire/belt maintenance without having to be removed. Sound the same more-or-less, too, as I recall (with all else stock + TOR tune).
Stock pipes angle upward, same as TORs, just add about 6". Ends _are_ rather close to Triump's stock leather bags.
I'd stick with the shorties unless modified in some way.
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 20 Aug 2020 - 06:39 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | | I don't know about your market, but here we had the choice of long or short TORS, I've seen plenty and a mate has them on his 2012 Storm.
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| Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,923 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Aug 2020 - 11:46 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Leethal) | | | Long TORs on mine and etched
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| Davisnub | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Aug 2020 - 19:28 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
Hi Davisnub!
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - tho I'm not ;-) - there are no long TORs.
TOR = Triumph Off Road, as etched on the shorties to allow sales for "off road" use. The long ones are stock mufflers, not etched.
Only difference is that the short TORS allow tire/belt maintenance without having to be removed. Sound the same more-or-less, too, as I recall (with all else stock + TOR tune).
Stock pipes angle upward, same as TORs, just add about 6". Ends _are_ rather close to Triump's stock leather bags.
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Hey MotorMac!
I guess what Triumph calls them are the 'High Flow Silencer Kit, Long'
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I actually prefer the look of the short tors on the bike but aesthetically (pure personal preference) if I were to get hard bags, I feel like the long pipes look better? I started a thread in the accessories sub-forum to see if people had pictures of some hard bags on their stock or long tors just to get a better idea
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Aug 2020 - 20:07 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | | This is from Adept Power Sports (formerly 2 Wheel Pros), So Cal Link
Interesting that there are N. American mufflers with their own part number:
Why there'd be an "off road" version of the stock muffler escapes me, but if you guys say it's true it must be. Wonder what the difference is?
Kinda pricey, too. I tried to leave my (new) stock mufflers at the dealer when I got the shorties, but they didn't want 'em.
How 'bout some pics Davisnub?
Hope you're not in the midst of our annual CA fires. It's been bombers and smoke here for at least a week, but yesterday our local assets were sent north - just in time for winds to develop here. CalFire reports 5,762 incidents with 204,481 acres burned, 285 structures, 1 death. Just getting started.....
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| Davisnub | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Aug 2020 - 20:39 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
This is from Adept Power Sports (formerly 2 Wheel Pros), So Cal Link
Interesting that there are N. American mufflers with their own part number:
Why there'd be an "off road" version of the stock muffler escapes me, but if you guys say it's true it must be. Wonder what the difference is?
Kinda pricey, too. I tried to leave my (new) stock mufflers at the dealer when I got the shorties, but they didn't want 'em.
How 'bout some pics Davisnub?
Hope you're not in the midst of our annual CA fires. It's been bombers and smoke here for at least a week, but yesterday our local assets were sent north - just in time for winds to develop here. CalFire reports 5,762 incidents with 204,481 acres burned, 285 structures, 1 death. Just getting started..... |
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The 'off-road' versions are considered high flow and technically is branded as off-road so they can sell them while dodging environmental regulations (especially in CA) I'm guessing.
I'm in the same county as the fires but luckily I live on the southern part of the county so it hasn't reached the epic proportions that it did back in 2017. Ash is falling and air quality is terrible so I've had to drive into work recently. Recently had an old coworker that just lost their home as well. It's become the norm here in California unfortunately.
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Aug 2020 - 04:43 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | | 14,000 homes gone, 86 dead from Dec. 2018 Paradise fire. And that was last of 6 all-time record-setting CA fires within 12 months.
Haven't heard calls to defund fire departments....... yet. But, this IS California, only a matter of time.
Hang in there - hard to find local news less than a day old. Only source here is a CalFire twitter feed. How sad is that?
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Aug 2020 - 19:02 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote: ....
Why there'd be an "off road" version of the stock muffler escapes me, but if you guys say it's true it must be. ..... |
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There's a long version for those of us who enjoy removing the silencers to get at the rear wheel. And it's a deeper rumble than the shorts.
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Aug 2020 - 15:12 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | And there you have it, proof positive. They do exist!
Thanks PapaSmurf. So, high flow long TOR uses same tune as short TOR I presume.
And neither is an option if you have a locked ECU, unless dealer has some magic key.
True? I'd have to guess mufflers aren't interchangeable between early and late T-Birds. I know headers aren't.
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Aug 2020 - 18:34 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | | Presumption[s] correct; long and short use same tune. However, after installing the TOR tune, I found it to still be too lean and added 5% more fueling to the map. Much better. If your ECU is locked, consider putting in a Power Commander V so you're not locked into the Dealer and the default map.
If you have a locked ECU, the Dealer can install the map; for a price, of course.
Silencers appear to be interchangeable between Thunderbird 1600 and Storm, all years, but not between those and Commander or LT.
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| Davisnub | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Aug 2020 - 19:31 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | |
PapaSmurfMC wrote:
Presumption[s] correct; long and short use same tune. However, after installing the TOR tune, I found it to still be too lean and added 5% more fueling to the map. Much better. If your ECU is locked, consider putting in a Power Commander V so you're not locked into the Dealer and the default map.
If you have a locked ECU, the Dealer can install the map; for a price, of course.
Silencers appear to be interchangeable between Thunderbird 1600 and Storm, all years, but not between those and Commander or LT.
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just wondering, are locked ecus thunderbirds made after 2010? generally, if you have the dealership install the pipes, they just download a a new map onto the ecu, they don't dyno tune it?
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| VABird | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Aug 2020 - 19:52 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | | I think the locked ECUs started in 2014.
If dealer installed a new map, it would not include a dyno-tune.
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Aug 2020 - 21:25 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: VABird) | | | The Tuneecu website says it can be used on: "Triumph Thunderbird (1600 & 1700 cc), Thunderbird Storm, including models 2015,
except Commander and LT". So, all years of the 1600 and the Storm up to and including 2015 but no LTs or Commanders (started in 2014).
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| bnz433 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,842 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 12:11 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Last I had seen, TuneECU site said LT/Commander CAN be done with Bluetooth versions. However, my last visit to the site said it was dead and gone, and only supported on some Facebook page (I'd posted this in the Lounge not too long ago)????
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| FCB | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 26/06/2020 | | Posts | : | 16 | | Location | : | Fife, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 14:23 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Ive recently got a 2014 Commander - I also picked up a set of the long TOR's in a sale as a dealer in England was shifting old stock - if I don't get the new map installed, what is the effect on the bike? Do I risk something going bang as it will be running far too lean??? Thanks
Update - Just read this thread - Link
So - if i fit the long TOR's, I then have to buy a Power Commander as well????? The phrase Money Pit is starting to come to mind.
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 18:19 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: FCB) | | | Are there TORs specifically for the Commander? Not sure what "accessory silencers" they're referring to in that thread. If you bought the TORs for the standard Thunderbird, I don't think they're going to fit on a Commander.
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| FCB | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 26/06/2020 | | Posts | : | 16 | | Location | : | Fife, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 19:15 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Well, i asked the question when i ordered them, told them i had a Commander, & they assured me they would fit......
Will only find out when i get the old ones off. I guess if they do fit, the power commander is next on the list?
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 21:14 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: FCB) | | | What is the Triumph part number of the silencers you bought?
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 22:18 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | FWIW, I think pic posted earlier from 2WheelPros has factory part numbers, one reason I like dealing with them. Done w/Bike Bandit.
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| Davisnub | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Aug 2020 - 23:36 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
FWIW, I think pic posted earlier from 2WheelPros has factory part numbers, one reason I like dealing with them. Done w/Bike Bandit. |
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what's been your difficulty with bb? I ask because I'm looking to pick up some oem parts that have been out of stock on triumph's site.
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Aug 2020 - 00:54 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | |
Davisnub wrote:
what's been your difficulty with bb? I ask because I'm looking to pick up some oem parts that have been out of stock on triumph's site. |
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Everything is "in stock" on their site, but not so. Last time I ordered an "in stock" part, they took my money and NEVER delivered. Online chat = broken, phone, email = useless. If Bike Bandit shows something in stock you can't find anywhere else, don't believe it.
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Aug 2020 - 03:27 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
FWIW, I think pic posted earlier from 2WheelPros has factory part numbers, one reason I like dealing with them. Done w/Bike Bandit. |
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Looking for the part number from FCB, to see what he's really got.
I've been a customer of BikeBandit for at least 8 years now; never had a problem until recently. I just canceled a parts order they had for 6 weeks with no delivery commitment in sight. I got an immediate cancellation and refund, so no complaints there. Ordered the same part at the same price from Hermy's and had it in a week. Hermy's from now on for Triumph parts.
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
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| FCB | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 26/06/2020 | | Posts | : | 16 | | Location | : | Fife, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 26 Aug 2020 - 08:48 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | |
PapaSmurfMC wrote:
What is the Triumph part number of the silencers you bought?
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This was the description,
Part No: a9608141_2014thunderbirdcommander
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| Davisnub | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2020 | | Posts | : | 45 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Aug 2020 - 21:49 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | |
PapaSmurfMC wrote:
MotorMac wrote:
FWIW, I think pic posted earlier from 2WheelPros has factory part numbers, one reason I like dealing with them. Done w/Bike Bandit. |
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Looking for the part number from FCB, to see what he's really got.
I've been a customer of BikeBandit for at least 8 years now; never had a problem until recently. I just canceled a parts order they had for 6 weeks with no delivery commitment in sight. I got an immediate cancellation and refund, so no complaints there. Ordered the same part at the same price from Hermy's and had it in a week. Hermy's from now on for Triumph parts.
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I wonder if it's the scarcity of the product of if it's due to covid19? I'm wondering what my luck to be when I search for a big bore kit and a set of long tors. What's factoring into that decision is the possible 10% discount I believe BB offers new members
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Aug 2020 - 22:14 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: FCB) | | |
FCB wrote:
This was the description,
Part No: a9608141_2014thunderbirdcommander
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As usual, not a glut of information available. I've got a current Service Manual and it says nothing about EFI maps or Triumph aftermarket installations. The Triumph installation documents site, Link , has nothing for A9608141 and nothing for the individual pipes: T2205110 (LH) and T2205115 (RH).
I see two cryptic notes about these online: (1) two sites say "Requires updated calibration for maximum efficiency". (2) one site had a note "Do not fit to motorcycles after VIN 780497".
Completely unclear what they mean by an "updated calibration" ; could be a new EFI map or could be a 12-minute adaption. No one else said anything about VIN number restrictions, just these guys "bike-parts-triumph.com", Link They're also in the UK and list a contact number and email.
You can also contact this ebay Triumph dealer (Total Triumph): Link or Link They're in the UK, selling these pipes and say to contact them with any questions. They might be able to answer both questions (about EFI map and any VIN restrictions).
You can also call all the service departments of Triumph dealers in a 100 mile radius and ask them if you need to install a different EFI map for those pipes. See what they say.
Good luck. Let us know how it works out.
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Aug 2020 - 22:18 Post title : Re: Question about Long TORs size/position vs Stock (Re: Davisnub) | | |
Davisnub wrote:
I wonder if it's the scarcity of the product of if it's due to covid19? I'm wondering what my luck to be when I search for a big bore kit and a set of long tors. What's factoring into that decision is the possible 10% discount I believe BB offers new members |
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They specifically blamed it on the pandemic; didn't affect Hermy's. They may just not move a lot of Triumph oem parts and are the distributor's lowest priority.
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
2009 Black Bonneville A1 ("Mag")
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